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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby mayama » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:03 pm

My nomination list so far, still many spots left :
1. Ika-Musume (Shinryaku! Ika Musume)
2. Elsea de Lute Irma (TWGOK)
3. Merry Nightmare (Yumekui Merry)
4. Victorique de Blois (Gosick)
5. Shiori Shiomiya (TWGOK)
6. Gokou "Kuroneko" Ruri (Oreimo)
7. Isurugi Mio (MM!)
8. ...(still thinking)
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby Wolfnagi » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:51 pm

lol, haven't been here since the survey match.
Anyway:

Of course I'm nominating Kugyu characters,
The more they are, the higher the chances of Kugyu rushes xD
1. Louise (Zero no Tsukaima)
2. Sanada Yukimura (Hyakka Ryouran Samurai Girls)
3. Katagiri Yuuhi (Akane-Iro no Somare Saka)

Aside from that, 2010 have lots of moe characters,
I wonder if the one I'm nominating are going to pass the preliminary
4. Anarchy Stocking (Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt) (Simply because Stocking is much more moe than Panty. Plus, she's a demon xD)
5. Sherlock Sherllington (Tantei Opera Milky Holmes) ( I wonder how Milky Holmes gonna handle this)
6. Nymph (Sora no Otoshimono)
7. Ikaros (Sora no Otoshimono) (I hope they do better this year)
8. Zakuro (Otome Youkai Zakuro)
9. Sanya V. Litvyak (Strike Witches)
10. Index-too damn long (To Aru Majutsu no Index)
11. Isurugi Mio (MM!)
12. Serizawa Fumino (Mayoi Neko Overrun)
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby KholdStare88 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:21 pm

How are you guys nominating this year? There are two ways to handle nominations:

1) Stick to your guns and nominate even characters you know won't get in
2) Strategically nominate certain characters, which means you might pass on your favorite characters

Remember that a character's nomination rank affects her seeding in the prelims, so it might be a good idea to put in votes for a character you know will get in, just to boost her position. If you choose the second method, also make sure to not write off some characters (mainly characters in 2010) since you might not know how popular they are yet. I'm probably going to use the second method, since I'm done with nominating characters I'm sure won't get in.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby hinakatbklyn » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:55 pm

I think a character with alot of nominations will likely have a decent chance at not only making the prelims, but also the regular season. My opinion would be to pick my favorite characters who have at least a decent chance at making the preliminaries but needs one more push to get in. (I settle for the 1st method)

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12. Serizawa Fumino (Mayoi Neko Overrun)


Since Fumino was a block finalist in J-Saimoe, she is already in the preliminaries.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby loudmouth » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:39 pm

I'm nominating favorites, but only favorites whom I'm positive will get more than 3 votes :D
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby advance94 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:02 pm

KholdStare88 wrote:How are you guys nominating this year? There are two ways to handle nominations:

1) Stick to your guns and nominate even characters you know won't get in
2) Strategically nominate certain characters, which means you might pass on your favorite characters

Remember that a character's nomination rank affects her seeding in the prelims, so it might be a good idea to put in votes for a character you know will get in, just to boost her position. If you choose the second method, also make sure to not write off some characters (mainly characters in 2010) since you might not know how popular they are yet. I'm probably going to use the second method, since I'm done with nominating characters I'm sure won't get in.


I'm using the first method because the second one seems a bit risky. I don't know who's gonna get in and who's not, so if I pass on one of my favourite characters and find out later they were one nomination from getting in(although it's unlikely) I will be kicking myself more than if I put a character who I like but don't care so much about in a bad spot. Bottom line is I'd rather have a character who I don't care so much about be put in a bad spot than have one of my favourite characters not make it to preliminaries because I decided to pass on them.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby sc178 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:50 pm

I'll be going with favourites with a few additions/omissions to adjust that we're judging on "moe" and not "Who's your favourite character?"
Of course the two produce very similar answers and 'a few' here means 1 or 2.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby KholdStare88 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:43 pm

hinakatbklyn wrote:My opinion would be to pick my favorite characters who have at least a decent chance at making the preliminaries but needs one more push to get in. (I settle for the 1st method)


But that's precisely what I meant by the second method. 0.o
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby Bastion » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:23 am

KholdStare88 wrote:How are you guys nominating this year? There are two ways to handle nominations:

1) Stick to your guns and nominate even characters you know won't get in
2) Strategically nominate certain characters, which means you might pass on your favorite characters


You can also mix the two plans, nominating characters that are favorites (Snow for instance) with little chance of actually getting in, while applying a few votes for characters to make sure they'd get in (like Celty).

If we nominate someone who's already in (like Tenshi or Hinagiku), does that do anything for their seeding, or is their seeding placement already set if they're an auto?
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby loudmouth » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:00 am

I believe the auto-prelim characters are already set in terms of seeding

KholdStare88 wrote:Whoever gets 2nd in the nominations will be in a group with Fate Testarossa.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby KholdStare88 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:04 am

Those already qualified are fixed, so their seeding placement won't be changed. Misaka Mikoto and Tainaka Ritsu are fixed in Group 2 of Prelims, but you can change who else will join Group 2. :P
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby Wolfnagi » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:44 am

hinakatbklyn wrote:
Wolfnagi wrote:
12. Serizawa Fumino (Mayoi Neko Overrun)


Since Fumino was a block finalist in J-Saimoe, she is already in the preliminaries.


lol, didn't notice.
then:
12. Rosa (Dragon Crisis!) (Just watched this show right after posted yesterday post.)
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby Team Rocket Elite » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:55 am

KholdStare88 wrote:How are you guys nominating this year? There are two ways to handle nominations:

1) Stick to your guns and nominate even characters you know won't get in
2) Strategically nominate certain characters, which means you might pass on your favorite characters

Remember that a character's nomination rank affects her seeding in the prelims, so it might be a good idea to put in votes for a character you know will get in, just to boost her position. If you choose the second method, also make sure to not write off some characters (mainly characters in 2010) since you might not know how popular they are yet. I'm probably going to use the second method, since I'm done with nominating characters I'm sure won't get in.


2 is the only way to go. =D Position in Phase I of the preliminaries don't matter too much. Unless things line up almost perfectly, every character that advances to the main bracket from Phase I would have easily made it in Phase II or Phase III. If the Top 16 from last year are evenly divided among the 16 groups, a lucky "weaker" group won't exist. By Phase III, the characters will likely have been shuffled enough for this initial position to not matter.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby KholdStare88 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:01 am

Position in Phase I matters very much if you've been paying attention (to me) about which spot is in what group. :P Even with statistics, there are some seemingly easy groups that I assure you #14 and #15 will have an easier time than #2 or #21 in nominations.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby Team Rocket Elite » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:27 am

KholdStare88 wrote:Position in Phase I matters very much if you've been paying attention (to me) about which spot is in what group. :P Even with statistics, there are some seemingly easy groups that I assure you #14 and #15 will have an easier time than #2 or #21 in nominations.


I haven't really paid too close attention to what you've said about character placement. Unless the auto qualified characters are wierdly distributed, it will be nearly impossible for a character outside the Top 32 to advance through the first phase even if they do draw the weakest group. If you're in the Top 32, you don't really need a good Phase I group since you would need to have some incredibly bad luck to fail to advance in Phase II or Phase III. I suppose strictly speaking a character is better off in a group away from Shana, Hinagiku, Mio and Tenshi since a not 0% chance of advancing is better than a 0% chance. I just don't think it's very likely that a character who isn't a near lock to make the main bracket could make it in through Phase I.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby Cassiopeia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:32 am

Arcion wrote:
KholdStare88 wrote:How are you guys nominating this year? There are two ways to handle nominations:

1) Stick to your guns and nominate even characters you know won't get in
2) Strategically nominate certain characters, which means you might pass on your favorite characters


You can also mix the two plans, nominating characters that are favorites (Snow for instance) with little chance of actually getting in, while applying a few votes for characters to make sure they'd get in (like Celty).

If we nominate someone who's already in (like Tenshi or Hinagiku), does that do anything for their seeding, or is their seeding placement already set if they're an auto?



I always do what Arcion mentioned. However, I am leaning close to supporting ones that have higher chance of making into preliminaries. It is very difficult to ignore what my heart is telling me to do, although I should listen to what my brain is telling me to do, if I want all of my nominations to qualify. :D so I usually mix those two based on how I feel. I still intend to pass on girls like Kuroneko. Even if she doesn't get a vote from me, she should be able to get into top 5 in the nomination phase and she should be able to qualify for the regular season without too much fuss.

But my main focus this year is supporting new participants. Most of my seasoned favourites are already auto-qualified, so I decided to support some fresh faces.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby KholdStare88 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:38 am

I truly believe that Index, Ritsu, Tsumugi, Suigintou, and Shinku would do better than Chiaki/Nymph/Rika/Hanyuu if they made it to regular season. From 2009, it's not surprising if Suigintou and Shinku win in Phase I, and if more K-ON fans participated in prelims, it's not surprised Ritsu and Tsumugi can win in Phase I. Also from 2009, Nanoha could have a chance of winning Phase I (and she's not Top 32).
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby Cassiopeia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:39 am

Realistically, there are only a handful new comers (excluding the likes of Tenshi, Yurippe and Yui) who have a shot at entering the regular season. I can see Ika-musume, Kuroneko, Kirino and few others making into the regular season, but for others, we will have to wait and see to assess their potential.

so if you wanna play safe, support your best team (in terms of strength) from the beginning. It would be also better not to qualify, if your favourites will be killed like Saki girls last year... But I still dream about qualifying my nomination team to regular season, so I will go ahead with my original plan.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby KholdStare88 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:40 am

Also, clarification for the two methods.

First list your top 12 characters of all time that are not already auto-qualified.

1) If you nominate 11 or more of these characters, chances are you're using method 1.
2) If you drop 3 or more of the characters in your top 12 for other characters, chances are you're using method 2.
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Re: Your 2011 Nomination Plan

Postby Cassiopeia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:43 am

KholdStare88 wrote:I truly believe that Index, Ritsu, Tsumugi, Suigintou, and Shinku would do better than Chiaki/Nymph/Rika/Hanyuu if they made it to regular season. From 2009, it's not surprising if Suigintou and Shinku win in Phase I, and if more K-ON fans participated in prelims, it's not surprised Ritsu and Tsumugi can win in Phase I. Also from 2009, Nanoha could have a chance of winning Phase I (and she's not Top 32).


Yeah I agree with you, I was totally shocked by their early departure last season. It has to do with the timing of the nomination. Girls like Suigintou and Tsumugi can preserve their fan support for a long time, but the other group you mentioned may had been strong during the preliminaries due to reasons like recent anime exposure, but they will run out of steam pretty quickly against the regular season participants.

but somebody has to be the weeping boys in any tournament, so Sugintou could have been destroyed as well, if she qualified last year.
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