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RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Bastion » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:54 am

Eclairs wrote:
Arcion wrote:Boo for Sora, yay for non-singer tiger and dragon. Yay for singer-tiger and .. non-demon-tailed nyan(O.o). Too bad the tiger probably won't get a chance at the emerald, it would be a great match for her eyes :(
Onto the next matches.


If i read it correctly, ur implying that Taiga has no chance in the necklace round, arc ? Well, Taiga's surely will go 7 - 0 this phase, while Azunyan needs to beat Mio in her next match. Even with both girls going 7 - 0, i do think taiga stands a GOOD chance to snatch the necklace, if she can gain the favour from kugyuu voters as well as Shana voters.

The tiger looking to fail to grab the necklace is Hinagiku (singer-tiger). Hina's are green (match for emerald), Taiga's are brown I think.

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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby EtherealForest » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:21 am

RegalStar wrote:Incest aside, Sora is better as a character than Laura anyways. (Of course, I'm biased against everyone in IS that isn't Charlotte so...)


Yeah I agree, although not by much. Whatever ones views on incest (Personnally I'm indifferent - in the end its just another expression of love) Sora has a character which is far less 2D than the IS girls generally - where the plot is a group of strong girls going weak at the knees for a relatively average and romantically dense guy for no clear reason, with a bit of mecha thrown in. That said Sora's character is a little bit spoilt and grating for me to see her to be very moe.

Kanade continues in strength to strength :bigsmile: And Azun-yan for Emerald (I hope) XD There should be some good battles next round - hope Shana can be Railgunned to leave Kanade vs Mikoto for the 100% battle!
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Eclairs » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:30 am

Momokutenshi wrote:Actually, for people wanting Shana for Ruby, it would make a lot more sense to give Azu-nyan Emerald, since that means Shana will have no competition at all for the Ruby Necklace. A solid lock for the necklace like Kanade in Topaz, rather than the highly-likely-lock-that-turned-out-to-fail-epicly that was Kanade's Aquamarine. Especially since if Taiga gets Emerald, it's very easy to foresee anti-Shananites to vote Azu-nyan for Ruby just to spite Shananites. And given that next period Shana will go up against either Yuki (who does pose a significant challenge for her) or Hinagiku (even going 7-0 her max SDO will be 63 in the wildcard loop) while Azu-nyan may get Yuu (easy win) and have a leg up on SDO, even if Shana>Azu-nyan on 1 v 1 (which I would stil lcall a relatively close match, esp with the decrease in voters making each vote carry that much more weight), Azu-nyan could still nab Ruby.


So the best strategical move for each group would be the following:
Kugyuknighters = Vote Azu-nyan & support Azu-nyan for Emerald Necklace so your number one will definitely get the most perfect necklace for her


From the 4 past necklace matches, Shana has been in all four of them, while azusa's in three of them. From the 3 necklace matches, shana has more votes than azusa ( i am DISREGARDING shana's lost to Azusa during sapphire because it was crystal clear Kuroneko fans vouched for Azusa ). i think we can safely deduce that most of the votes in NECKLACE matches, voters vote for their fave instead of antivoting any certain girl, if thier fave stands a great chance in winning the necklace. So from this scenario we can say Shana might hold the slight advantage over Azusa. So it all ends up with the SDO count. If Shana is paired with Yuki in RUBY that will be hellish, but i think she can beat Yuki ESPECIALLY in RUBY. As for Hina, thats not worth mentioning coz Shana will just pulverise her.

For ADDED insurance of Kugyuu fans not 'losing' to KanaHana cabals = Get Taiga her necklace and both Kugyuu and KanaHana will get 2 necklaces each. Simples.

< not that i really care tbh, since Taiga last two remaining T1 matches are against yuu and Kanade. She stands a good chance to go 7 - 0 in the phase where she meet Yuu with Yuu's pulling power weakening rapidly. If the scheduling in Ruby is not a b**ch, lining Yuu X Taiga in Ruby instead of diamond, this will be Taiga's last best shot on a necklace ( with SDO advantage and such ).She'll still enter necklace round in diamond for all that matters, but the playing field will be much more even.
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby moemio » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:47 am

Mio lost by TWO votes !? At least it's closer than last year -_-
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby JLoable91 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:07 am

HAHAHAHA! Two votes!
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Momokutenshi » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:12 am

Eclairs wrote:From the 4 past necklace matches, Shana has been in all four of them, while azusa's in three of them. From the 3 necklace matches, shana has more votes than azusa ( i am DISREGARDING shana's lost to Azusa during sapphire because it was crystal clear Kuroneko fans vouched for Azusa ). i think we can safely deduce that most of the votes in NECKLACE matches, voters vote for their fave instead of antivoting any certain girl, if thier fave stands a great chance in winning the necklace. So from this scenario we can say Shana might hold the slight advantage over Azusa.


Given that we're ignoring the fact
  • that vote totals have changed, thereby skewing the competition just eeeeever so slightly;
  • that group matches up til Sapphire should be disregarded given that Kanade, Mikoto and Yuki were way too strong to see how the other girls would have fared underneath them;
  • that Sapphire itself should be disregarded given the quadruple bias of VT changes, group matches can't show how strong any given girl is, as well as Shana for Ruby and HanaKana vs Kugyu;
  • that it's unknown whether Shana voters voted Kuroneko/Azu-nyan in Sapph just so Shana wouldn't win while anti-Shanns might have voted Shana in hopes of spiting them;
  • that aside from Sapphire, there could have been no feasible strategic voting;
  • that the girls' strengths have all changed, mostly dropped, to the point where even Shana, who should be at the top T1 and one of the strongest, if not the strongest, contender against Kanade, has weakened to mid/lower-T1, struggling to beat Kuroneko;
  • that your points have so many ambiguities stated as obvious facts;
  • that if it's true that "voters vote for their fave instead of antivoting any certain girl" then Shana should easily win Emerald, and come a lot closer to winning Sapphire too;
  • that "if thier[sic] fave stands a great chance in winning the necklace" is the precursor to voting for their favorite, then Shana may very well not be voted for in Ruby given her potentially lower SDO (which I will address later);
  • and that if "most of the votes in NECKLACE matches, voters vote for their fave instead of antivoting any certain girl, if thier fave stands a great chance in winning the necklace" (which I am going to refer to as 'strategicvoting' since 'anti-voting' is not the right term for what we're talking about) then Taiga stands no chance, no matter how much you might campaign for her.
then congrats~ You have now proven that Shana has a chance at winning the Ruby Necklace. Unfortunately, so does Azusa. Within your own contradictions and assumptions, you have failed to prove that "Shana might hold the slight advantage over Azusa." Soz boz.

Eclairs wrote:So it all ends up with the SDO count. If Shana is paired with Yuki in RUBY that will be hellish, but i think she can beat Yuki ESPECIALLY in RUBY. As for Hina, thats not worth mentioning coz Shana will just pulverise her.

I think you underestimate the fanbase that backs Yuki. A lot of people like Yuki. You like Yuki. If the circumstances were different and everyone was, say, supporting Kanade, or Mio for Ruby/another color that absolutely suited them to a T, would you vote against Yuki (or Mikoto, or Shana, or any of your other "megamisamas") just to let a girl you might mildly like/be indifferent to/not like at all (imagine if it were Sora, for you) get the necklace? Can you speak for the whole mob of voters? Shana for Ruby is a pretty big campaign, but I don't see her pulverizing Yuki on her way to it. She might win, but I don't see it cracking anywhere near 6-70%. Ruby will probably give her the chance she needs, but I don't see it being a smooth ride for her.
And Hina is worth mentioning for the reason I stated earlier. Hinagiku is the wildcard. The 7 girls she faces all face each other (look back at the other periods if you don't believe me). Yes, Shana will go 7-0 in the wildcard loop. She will therefore, have an SDO of 63. Why? Because the maximum SDO possible for going 7-0 in the wildcard loop is 63. No more, no less. This could be very good for Shana, if Azu-nyan goes against Kanade, rather than Yuu, and has a pretty crap schedule all round. Not so much if Azu-nyan 7-0's or even 6-1's with a ridiculously good schedule.

Eclairs wrote:For ADDED insurance of Kugyuu fans not 'losing' to KanaHana cabals = Get Taiga her necklace and both Kugyuu and KanaHana will get 2 necklaces each. Simples.
And if Azu-nyan manages to ninja Ruby, then Shana, your "megamisama," will grab the necklace you, yourself, Eclairs, called "the necklace for the losers." Shana getting Ruby alone will make Kugyu>HanaKana, since HanaKana's top girl lost to Mikoto for SDO and their second nabbed it in the period Shana supporters weren't so hardcore targetting it. And it's sure as hell not easy to bide time for the second-last necklace with such a fanbase. If Shana manages to pull of holding it off til Ruby, I would actually be inclined to say that her obtaining that necklace was a lot harder than Mikoto beating out Kanade for Aqua.
Besides which, of the remaining girls, Taiga will likely have a good chance of getting Diamond anyways, she'll be one of the, if not the strongest contender for it.

Eclairs wrote:< not that i really care tbh, since Taiga last two remaining T1 matches are against yuu and Kanade. She stands a good chance to go 7 - 0 in the phase where she meet Yuu with Yuu's pulling power weakening rapidly. If the scheduling in Ruby is not a b**ch, lining Yuu X Taiga in Ruby instead of diamond, this will be Taiga's last best shot on a necklace ( with SDO advantage and such ).She'll still enter necklace round in diamond for all that matters, but the playing field will be much more even.

Not at all. Taiga still remains one of the strongest girls in contention for Diamond should she not win Emerald now. Even if she 6-1's to Kanade, her SDO can still be significantly higher than the other girls, and she will also be one of the bigger vote-drawers.
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby akumaxx » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:52 am

Dunno why so many angry about Sora's win. Just because incest?
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Eclairs » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:10 am

And i wonder why i am trying hard in campaigning for Taiga and Emerald necklace. its just a past time thingy / guilty pleasure stuffs for me. I guess i dont have any time to delve more into all those statistics and permutations, and let things unfold as it is. Ah well, no point for me in getting all riled up.
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby KholdStare88 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:40 am

I think it's very strange that Shana vs. Azusa was in Sapphire with Kuroneko beating a Tier 1 opponent and having a chance at the necklace, and just before Ruby, Shana faces Mikoto, who probably has the best chance at defeating Shana next to Kanade. It almost seems like there's just 1 chance for Shana to lose 5 necklaces in a row before Ruby, and it's scheduled that way. Do we call it hax on maglor?
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Jack_Rav » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:51 am

@Eclairs: Aside from anything else, you're disregarding the only head-to-head confrontation between Shana and Azusa for your 'analysis'? Trying to make the stats work for you a bit too hard I think...

On to the results, ShanaClone beats Mio by 2 votes....ffs. Shana beats Kuroneko...ffs. Kirino and Nagi win...ffs.

Holo, Yuki, Kanade, Mikoto, Victorique win. :) But, not very surprising that they did.
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Cassiopeia » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:06 pm

Sora faced Laura, so it is not surprising that she won. Now, it will be interesting to see who claims the necklace next week.
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Athalon » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:50 pm

shiraoky wrote:Ouch. 2 votes. Mio was extremely close. And I'm pleasantly surprised about Ruri getting so close to Shana :) And Haruhi > Eu as well. Only match I'm mad about is Sora vs Laura. WHY?

I more or less quit this because of her last win, and this win (I know Laura will lose against her, poor Laura) but i will just say it anyway...
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Yakuman » Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:04 pm

TWO F-ING VOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!4 FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby KholdStare88 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:36 pm

I have to say, I'm surprised that no one put the same answer for both questions for a better chance to get 1 cookie even though they can't get 2.
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Alexander » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:59 pm

KholdStare88 wrote:I think it's very strange that Shana vs. Azusa was in Sapphire with Kuroneko beating a Tier 1 opponent and having a chance at the necklace, and just before Ruby, Shana faces Mikoto, who probably has the best chance at defeating Shana next to Kanade. It almost seems like there's just 1 chance for Shana to lose 5 necklaces in a row before Ruby, and it's scheduled that way. Do we call it hax on maglor?

I've been doing that since Topaz.
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby superunature » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:51 pm

can't say much except "......."
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby bluemage » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:24 pm

Wow, interesting results.

Nice to see Holo win.
Ruri came quite close to beating Shana.
I think Laura's gonna go 0-49...
Woo Fate won.
Taiga snipes Mio for the win.
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Remi edges out Flan.

Yeah I think that's it.
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Kordosa » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:30 am

Good: Mugi, Holo, Haruna, Fate, Victorique, and Index winning
Bad: Kagami, Yui-nyan, and Flandre losing
Really good: Haruhi beating Eucliwood
Really bad: Kuroneko losing to Shana; Laura failing to get what should have been an easy victory (given the anti-incest folks); and Mio losing to Taiga by two votes.

I'm a little disappointed the votes between Flandre and Remilia weren't closer. In fact, I was expecting Flandre to edge Remilia out.

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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby Mad_Dog » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:08 pm

where's the results image at?
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Re: RESULTS: 2011 Emerald 6

Postby loudmouth » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:20 pm

Late response to the "Shana for Ruby" discussion earlier. I've been checking out the schedule and there are a few things I noticed that i thought were interesting.

Maybe everyone already knew this but I just noticed lol. For the most part, each character's schedule for each period consists of every character from the same "rank" in each tier, meaning they face all the rank 1s from each tier or all rank 4s or such (Ex. Kanade is Rank 1, Tier 1; Saber is Rank 5, Tier 3; Fate is Rank 4, Tier 5; etc. based on the schedule provided for fantasy). However, there are often exceptions to the pattern. Most of the Tier 1's were moved around, and are grouped with different Ranks than their own rank would suggest.

Here are my thoughts:
- Azusa faced all but Kanade of the Rank 1 characters in Aquamarine, and apart from Kanade, she's faced every contestant from ranks 1-5, meaning her Ruby and Diamond periods will be against the bottom of each tier. Granted, the tier and ranking systems were developed based on the seeding tournament, and do not necessarily reflect character's current strength, but Ranks 6 and 7 are still very weak.
- Following the pattern, her opponents would be facing other Rank 3 contestants, although this isn't the case. According to the league schedule, Yuki is generally grouped with the rank 3s and Azusa is grouped with the rank 2s, which suggests that her opponents will be facing her, Taiga, Victorique, Kyou, Haruna, Seraphim, and Mikuru, an extremely difficult schedule (for weaker contestants). Yuri or Hirasawa Yui would probably go 5-2 but there's a small chance that they'll lose to Victorique. Tomoyo and Holo will probably lose to Victorique, giving Tomoyo a 4-3 at best and Holo an optimistic 3-4. Haruna and Seraphim are weak, but Mikuru's pretty strong. I'm not great with numbers, but that doesn't sound good for Azusa's SDO.

Also, She'll probably face Kanade and the Rank 7s in Ruby. Kanade's been grouped with the rank 7's and I think Maglor would put Mikoto against Kanade in Diamond, which would mean Azusa faces Eucliwood in Diamond.

tl;dr: Emerald is Azusa's best chance for a necklace, possibly Diamond, but probably not Ruby.

Shana has been grouped with Rank 4s pretty consistently throughout the season. Other Rank 4s include Charlotte, Nadeko, Nagi, Fate, Yami, and Ayase. She has yet to face Ranks 3 and 4. I'm not sure who she'll face in Ruby, and I don't know how she'll fare against Yuki. 63 is a pretty low SDO, low enough that Taiga or Eucliwood might have a significantly higher SDO for the period (though Taiga doesn't have much chance if Shana's also in the necklace match).

Long story short, it's gonna be an intense scramble for the last few necklaces.

P.S. Kanade's SDO in Ruby and Diamond is going to be absolutely monstrous
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